Hello and welcome to the ITU WRC-19 thread!

Discussion in 'ITU WRC-19 (Autumn-2019)' started by RSGB Forums, Oct 10, 2018.

  1. RSGB Forums

    RSGB Forums Administrator Staff Member

    The next ITU World Radio Conference (WRC-19) is scheduled to be on Oct-28 to Nov-22 2019. Agenda Items of interest to amateur radio include 50 MHz in Region-1, Wireless Power and microwave bands.

    Useful Links:
    • RSGB Background papers on key Agenda Items, and previous Ofcom consultation input
    • CEPT List of Agenda Items and draft Briefs/Positions**

    The UK delegation to WRC is led by Ofcom and based on a combination of CEPT and national positions which have been developed since the agenda was set at the end of WRC-15.

    This forum provides a platform for queries/suggestions etc - but is not a consultation per se


    **As approved at CPG meetings - so may not be the very latest from the individual project teams
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  2. M0ZPU

    M0ZPU New Member

    The following is fait accompli in relation for the wish for a 50-54MHz allocation in Region 1. IE: not going to happen until NATO says YES.

    NATO (22 November 2018)

    NATO Military Assessment

    The whole range 30.005 - 87.5 MHz is essential for NATO military tactical communication. A diminished access to the whole band would reduce the ability to fulfill combined missions. At this stage studies show difficulties with sharing between amateur service and mobile service in fixed channel mode

    NATO Position

    NATO does not oppose to an amateur service allocation in 50-52 MHz in Region 1 provided that the military systems operated under the land mobile service are protected and not further constrained. Thus NATO is still assessing the appropriate regulatory status associated with that allocation.

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    VY73
    Rob M0ZPU
  3. g6jyb

    g6jyb Moderator Staff Member

    Hi Rob

    Sounds like you came across the rear of the CEPT brief ?
    • 50-54 is not an official Nato core band
    • Nato is an observer like IARU - it may have soem influence but does not have a direct vote
    • CEPT favour 50-52 as a secondary allocation
    Having said that, governmental use (or hypothetical use in an emergency) at a national level by certain countries (inc France, Switzerland and Russia) has been a key challenge...

    73

    Murray
  4. g6jyb

    g6jyb Moderator Staff Member

  5. M0ZPU

    M0ZPU New Member

    I am just astounded by the attitude of the French.

    The Galileo issue - knowing what a segment of spectrum is used for, why did they press on with using E6? Were they ignorant (didn't know), or ignorant! (didn't care!).

    Reminds me of the car designer who thought that using 433MHz for remote locking was a clever idea.
  6. G3YRZ

    G3YRZ Member

    Hello Rob, you come to all the best places!

    I'm surprised this forum is so quiet given the seriousness of the 144-146 threat. Given what has been published so far, I have some comments/questions:

    1. What is OFCOM's position on 144-146?
    2. Do we know why the French have made this proposal? What is really driving it?
    3. Were REF consulted, and what are they saying now?
    4. There must be a number of radio amateurs who have an interest in aviation, and some who hold an aviation licence. Myself included. I have seen nothing in the aviation press about this, although I confess not to read that as avidly as I once did. This suggests though that there is no pressing need for the allocation for aviation, or it would be a major news item. Could I suggest the RSGB contact the AOPA, CAA and other aviation organisations to canvass the issues? And radio amateurs who are "dual qualified" could perhaps do the same.
    5. Is there a need for political pressure? MPs and MEPs may find it a welcome relief from other matters exercising them at the moment to take up an issue that will affect a number of their constituents.

    There may be much going on behind the scenes but I feel that the average amateur may feel a bit impotent.

    Or will it all work out alright?

    John G3YRZ
  7. G8HGN

    G8HGN New Member

    I would hazard a guess that one of the French telecomm's concerns has identified a need/gap in the market and is chancing their arm at a segment of spectrum that is likely to be poorly defended by its current users.

    IIRC there were/are spot frequencies with the band allocated to Aeronautical mobile. So, for the proposers, the progression would seem sensible.

    This is purely a commercial venture, safety, as noted in the paper, is not a concern for the proposers.

    Bob G8HGN
  8. g6jyb

    g6jyb Moderator Staff Member

    >2. Do we know why the French have made this proposal? What is really driving it?
    Thales
    - and with that in mind re-read the French proposal (on the RSGB web page) and you get quite few of the rest of the answers re manned/unmanned aircraft, drones etc

    Naturally it has jointly wound up both REF and URC in France - as per their own news pages but they face a hard task there

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