AOB - Comments on Section 3 or other matters

Discussion in 'Ofcom Licence Review - Consultation' started by RSGB Forums, Sep 11, 2014.

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  1. RSGB Forums

    RSGB Forums Administrator Staff Member

    Ofcom only ask 10 questions on Section 2 – this thread is available for other comments such as Section 3
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  2. G3ZOD

    G3ZOD New Member

    I hope putting this forum / threads online isn't going to cause people to think they can post their comments here instead of responding directly to Ofcom.
    73 de Graham G3ZOD
  3. G3ZOD

    G3ZOD New Member

    The description of the forum says:
    "Ofcom intends to review and update the terms and conditions of the UK amateur radio licence.
    The current form of the licence has been around for several years and Ofcom is keen to ensure that it continues to meet its regulatory needs"​
    I'm not clear what the purpose of the forum is; is it just a place for people to meeet up to discuss the consultation, or will the replies be used to form a "corporate" response to Ofocm from the RSGB?
    73 de Graham G3ZOD
  4. Andrew Marshall

    Andrew Marshall New Member

    In the RSGB Commentary, I note the bullet points in the Overview, stated as being "for the avoidance of doubt". Do these points indicate that Ofcom has specifically excluded these proposals from the changes it intends to make, whether or not such changes wwwithin the Licence Review changes or otherwise?

    I ask this question because a while ago I had seen it mentioned (I forget where) that amateurs holding more than one callsign were to be contacted by Ofcom, separately from the Licence Review, and told that they would have to give up all but one of their callsigns. Is this still on the cards, or will this definitely not now be happening?

    73, Andrew, G8BUR, M0MAA.
  5. g6jyb

    g6jyb Moderator Staff Member

    >purpose of the forum....
    • It is indeed a place for people to meet up to discuss the consultation
    • Early days, but am sure comments on here will help RSGBs own reply
    • It is of course Ofcom's Consultation and so this forum is not a substitute for putting your own individual reply in to Ofcom. We do encourage that and we have linked their online input form on rsgb.org/licencereview
    Murray G6JYB
  6. DrTeeth

    DrTeeth New Member

    If UK amateurs can have more than one callsign, I would like to use G/4X1LT on occasion, but currently I cannot. The one callsign rule should apply to all.
  7. G3YRZ

    G3YRZ Member

    OFCOM's presentation, Powerpoint and communications about this exercise, until publication of the consultation document, led the amateur radio community to anticipate a far reaching review of the incentive licensing structure.

    The RSGB hosted an open forum to permit discussion of these issues. There were many contributions, of many types, and whatever the nature of the content the contributors all took the time and effort to get involved.

    I am sure that I speak for many in saying that I feel let down by OFCOM in their failure to address what is obviously an area of great concern within the amateur community, the incentive licensing structure and the restrictions applied to the various levels of licence privilege. Perhaps OFCOM could be a little more informative in terms of their intentions to address these concerns.
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  8. G0FTD

    G0FTD New Member

    I echo G3YRZ's comments.

    Especially -

    >to anticipate a far reaching review of the incentive licensing structure.

    Maybe this was quietly scuppered, for reasons I'll let readers to imagine !

    73 de Andy
  9. GJ3RAX

    GJ3RAX New Member

    I am hoping that Ofcom can be persuaded to correct an error that has been in the license document for a long time.

    On page 13, paragraph (oo) they say - "United Kingdom" means the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man are the Crown Dependencies, which are actually mentioned in the document, and are NOT part of the UK. We have our own governments and we do not elect members of Parliament or pay UK taxes. Also, the Channel Islands are not part of the EU.

    It is not reasonable or correct to define anything as being what it is not and this does cause us problems at times. Sadly the RSGB continues the error in some of the contest rules where one rule tells me to give one sort of report, where they also claim that the Channel Islands are part of the UK, and the next rule tells me to do something else as I am not in the UK.

    The geographic region consisting of the UK, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands is correctly known as the British Islands which was defined in the Interpretation Act 1978. This is to distinguish from the British Isles that includes the Republic of Ireland. The problem is that the term British Islands is not in common use and so it not widely understood. It is used on my passport. If it is included and defined by both Ofcom and the RSGB then at least Radio Amateurs would be aware of it and how to use it correctly.

    Ofcom is well aware of the correct term as they mention the Crown Dependencies and then define it on page 15 of the discussion document.
  10. GJ3RAX

    GJ3RAX New Member

    I have just looked at some pages on the Ofcom web site. In order to confirm some details that have been discussed recently I logged in and looked at the page linked as "Amend License Details". I was surprised to see that the field marked Country had a note underneath it in red saying "Your station address must be in the UK". Obviously those of us in the Crown Dependencies, which are the Isle of Man and the Bailiwicks of Guernsey and Jersey, are not in the UK. We are in the British Islands as defined in the Interpretation Act 1978.

    This is something else that needs to corrected. Alternatively, perhaps the Crown Dependencies could get our own licensing authorities with our own distinctive series of callsigns.

    73, Lawrence GJ3RAX
  11. mi0fds

    mi0fds New Member

    This OFCOM review/consultation doesn't address or take any heed of the previous RSGB consultation "Embedding The Progressive Licence", we were led to believe OFCOM had concerns (shared by the RSGB) about lack of progression, those who took the time to participate in that consultation may as well not have bothered as their concerns and suggestions have been completely ignored.
  12. Brian g3ykb

    Brian g3ykb New Member

    Another “United Kingdom” definition that needs urgent correction is in licence clause 17(1)(d):

    “Amateur” means a holder of a United Kingdom Amateur Radio Licence.

    Using this definition in licence clause 11(1):

    The Licensee shall be permitted to use the Radio Equipment to discuss any topics of mutual interest with other Amateurs.........

    means

    The Licensee shall be permitted to use the Radio Equipment to discuss any topics of mutual interest with other holders of a United Kingdom Amateur Radio Licence.......

    ie we are NOT allowed to talk to anyone OUTSIDE of the UK !!

    I suggest that definition 17(1)(d) be changed to

    “Amateur” means a holder of an Amateur Radio Licence.


    Brian g3ykb
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  13. G3YRZ

    G3YRZ Member

    Looks like OFCOM do need to conduct a far-reaching review of licence terms and conditions!
  14. G0FTD

    G0FTD New Member

    I note with regret thatOFCOM have decided to go along with geographical restrictions
    on the use of the 146 - 147Mhz band extension, shortly to be permitted to Full Licence
    radio amateurs.

    I am referring to the document entitled -

    "The release of spectrum within the frequency ranges 143 MHz to 169 MHz"

    and available at -

    http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bi...43-169mhz/statement/VHF_Release_statement.pdf

    In section 3.36 the following statment was made that " In order to successfully
    manage and minimise the risk of interference to other users (notably those in other
    countries), licensed Radio Amateurs who use these additional frequencies need to
    possess an advanced level of practical ability and an advanced understanding of
    radio theory and radio operating techniques. This is demonstrated by passing the
    exacting examination required to hold a Full licence."

    In which case, since I have held a Full Licence, for over 28 years, then by their OWN
    standards I am able to to successfully manage and minimise the risk of interference to
    other users and therefore I should have access to the proposed additional spectrum.

    OFCOM is CLEARLY contradicting itself, and has now managed to create another tier of access
    even to Full licence holders.
  15. G3YRZ

    G3YRZ Member

    Could I comment that the fact of this OFCOM consultation is not mentioned in the Consultations
    section of the RSGB website. Yes, the Licence Review has its own place and link on the homepage,
    but it does not figure on the page you would expect to find it:

    http://rsgb.org/main/rsgb-consultations/active-consultations/
  16. G0FTD

    G0FTD New Member

    Well I think OFCOM are pulling a fast one.

    Just remember that following the recent Commonwealth Games and Olympics, radio amateurs
    were requested to avoid the lower part of 2m, so that on site communications could be used
    in *our* exclusive 2m band.

    I wonder what other "big events" are going to inconvenience radio amateurs on 2m in the coming
    few years ?

    And when they do, will those inconvenienced radio amateurs all have access to the additional
    spectrum up on 146-147Mhz ?

    Don't say I didn't warn you :)

    73 de Andy
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  17. G4AVN

    G4AVN New Member

    I have lived on this earth long enough (74) years young, to know that anything to do with politics and government departments, is a murky world of subterfuge and untrustworthiness.
    G0FTD is absolutely correct in his warning.
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  18. G0FTD

    G0FTD New Member

    Thank you G4AVN for your comments.

    Also, I suspect that when it comes to the next big event, OFCOM would in normal circumstances
    would have to follow the procedures for what they call something like Technically Assigned Frequencies Process,
    (Ref here - https://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/business-radio/forms/OfW434.pdf)
    requiring consultation, band planning and observance of the agreements with neighbouring countries each time.

    By re-using a bit of the existing 2m allocation they conveniently by pass this, saving them the hassle of the
    above but messing us around.

    When this happens, OFCOM can claim that they have already given us the extra allocation, yet it's
    subject to geographical restrictions.

    And the model used to determine the cross border interference automatically assumes that radio amateurs
    have all deliberately chosen to stand at the border as well as deliberately using the highest maximum power
    allowed to an omnidirectional antenna, contrary to what they claim Full Licence holders do best to avoid !

    This flawed model results in an overly proscriptive spectrum release.

    73 de Andy
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  19. G3YRZ

    G3YRZ Member

  20. G3YMC

    G3YMC Member

    Yes G3YRZ I have done and many others have, your response via the OFCOM site is far more important than all the chatter on here - and the 2m expansion is nothing whatsoever to do with the licence review. But time is fast running out, the OFCOM consultation ends in a few days time.
    It would be useful to hear what happened at the Convention session with Ofcom yesterday Sunday. I was there on Saturday but there was no Ofcom presence then.
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